tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4235030634287751565.post1368399394770088624..comments2023-05-25T05:21:05.814-07:00Comments on Raising the River: A little no-limit, I think to myselfUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4235030634287751565.post-34480883024855111632008-11-29T16:10:00.000-08:002008-11-29T16:10:00.000-08:00I am actually disappointed by the lack of an artic...I am actually disappointed by the lack of an articulate response on 2+2. Replies like "lol minraiseaments" and "bet 40-50" are not useful without some reasoning.<BR/><BR/>The one good point was by the first responder, who noted that a higher pair is unlikely due to the lack of a 4-bet preflop after a third player entered the pot. TT is just about the only hand I am trailing here.<BR/><BR/>I accept that the $8 3-bet was on the small side and not conventional, but I think it is at worst a pretty marginal mistake. The main objective here is to stop hands like KQ and AQ from entering after me, and $8 ought to do that much. It is a lot harder to come up with a sound argument on preflop betting as opposed to after the flop.<BR/><BR/>The flop bet was probably a little too small, but it is pretty hard to get rid of the drawing hands here with any bet.<BR/><BR/>I think there is a strong case for a turn shove (which nobody on 2+2 has yet suggested). The villain has odds to call a pot sized bet with an overcard flush draw, and in that case I am committed for the rest anyway - it's better to get them in when I am (almost) certainly in the lead.The blindmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02677139641680516700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4235030634287751565.post-13358123282651711252008-11-29T15:17:00.000-08:002008-11-29T15:17:00.000-08:00Nice detailed post on 2+2 which solicited fairly c...Nice detailed post on 2+2 which solicited fairly consistent responses.<BR/><BR/>I recall in the Law School Graduates blog (worth finding the period where he moves from Limit to NLH) where he comments that moving up in limits the LAGs and TAGs got LAGgier and TAGgier. This is very true.<BR/><BR/>The stakes that you jumped in to NL are fairly high when transitioning. That's fine because you are well able for it.<BR/><BR/>I'd suggest considering becoming a little TAGgier initially.<BR/><BR/>On that note, I have heard that at higher stakes hand ranges can become more polarised. This is probably the same phenomenon.<BR/><BR/>It is a really interesting spot, thanks for posting it.<BR/><BR/>PS If the preflop raise "should have been" bigger, you made 3 mistakes and got away with two :-). The joys of incomplete information.<BR/><BR/>PPS I think NLH is the game that can challenge you more and as the chips flow to the better players quicker can provide you with bigger profits in the medium term. Please stick with it.TiocfaidhArLahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866495669162420676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4235030634287751565.post-12588449727766147792008-11-28T16:06:00.000-08:002008-11-28T16:06:00.000-08:002+2 thread<A HREF="http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39/small-stakes-pl-nl/jj-paired-undercard-board-353452/#post7349495" REL="nofollow">2+2 thread</A>The blindmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02677139641680516700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4235030634287751565.post-1209406533478061112008-11-28T15:55:00.000-08:002008-11-28T15:55:00.000-08:00Agreed, my mistake. I'll be interested to see what...Agreed, my mistake. I'll be interested to see what 2+2 recommends on the Turn.TiocfaidhArLahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866495669162420676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4235030634287751565.post-81043153335446577042008-11-28T15:23:00.000-08:002008-11-28T15:23:00.000-08:00If I'm way behind on the turn, it's only to a bigg...If I'm way behind on the turn, it's only to a bigger pair. I'll post on 2+2 and see what they say.<BR/><BR/>My thought in hindsight is that I am ahead of most of the villain's range, and there are a huge number of ways for him to outdraw me that a turn shove might be the way to go.The blindmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02677139641680516700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4235030634287751565.post-46985191593803438402008-11-28T13:43:00.000-08:002008-11-28T13:43:00.000-08:00A very interesting hand that I'd recommend putting...A very interesting hand that I'd recommend putting on 2+2, I'd like to follow the link if you do.<BR/><BR/>For me flop bet size was fine, river call you were never winning this hand so that's a lot of Limit BBs in one spot which is the key to NLH. Your stack is always at risk.<BR/><BR/>The Turn is the dubious one for me. Most likely you are "way ahead, way behind". Reread that section of Harrington Cash and let me know what you think.<BR/><BR/>My tuppence worth is that you can pot control check the Turn. Pricing out the flush draw commits you. <BR/><BR/>The joys of NLH. Stick with it, your other hands show that you clearly have the skills required to win at these levels. Just be a little more wary of those river calls.<BR/><BR/>I'm not a stats analyst, but FRTB must vary greatly between winning Limit and NLH players, I suspect.<BR/><BR/>Please post on 2+2 and let us know.TiocfaidhArLahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866495669162420676noreply@blogger.com